SUMMARY
- The sharp correction late last year revealed flaws in the conventional narrative that emerging market (EM) stock losses are always magnified relative to U.S. losses: As U.S. stocks plunged 19.4% from their record high on 21 September 2018 to their 24 December low for the year, EM stocks declined just 6.8%.
- In our view, current valuations suggest that EM assets could fall less than U.S. assets in a bear market for U.S. stocks, and could even stage an impressive recovery if the U.S. avoids a bear market.
- Recent regulatory guidance requiring ’40 Act mutual funds to include “interest expense” in their expense ratios has raised questions by investors. However, the fee structures for the All Asset funds, including the fees payable to PIMCO as fund manager, have not changed.
Rob Arnott, founding chairman and head of Research Affiliates, discusses why corresponding declines in emerging markets stemming from a potential bear market for U.S. stocks may not follow patterns seen in the past, while John Cavalieri, PIMCO asset allocation strategist, sheds light on questions about interest expense reporting arising from a recent change in regulatory guidance. As always, their insights are in the context of the PIMCO All Asset and All Asset All Authority funds.
Q: If U.S. stocks enter a bear market, will there be sympathy declines in other areas, such as emerging market (EM) assets?
Arnott: Very likely, in our view. It bears mention, however, that unlike in past cycles, such as 2008–2009, other developed markets and especially emerging markets are priced at deep discounts to U.S. stocks (proxied by the MSCI EAFE, MSCI EM and S&P 500 indices, respectively). Consider emerging markets: With cheap valuations appearing to offer a margin of error on the downside, we believe EM assets could fall less than the U.S. in a bear market and even stage an impressive recovery if the U.S. manages to avoid a bear market.
Take what happened last quarter: As U.S. stocks plunged 19.4% from their record high on 21 September 2018 to their 24 December low for the year, EM stocks fared much better, with a decline of just 6.8%.
Where did this sharp correction leave us? The All Asset suite benefited over this span from a meaningful allocation to what we view as sensibly priced EM stocks.1 Compared with the conventional 60/40 stock/bond mix (proxied by the S&P 500 and the Bloomberg Barclays U.S. Aggregate Bond Index), cumulative losses were 7.88 percentage points lower for All Asset and 10.94 percentage points lower for All Authority (see Figure 1). Of note, the median manager in the Morningstar Tactical Allocation category over the same time span (21 September–24 December 2018) roughly matched the cumulative 11.36% loss of the 60/40 mix. Our All Asset strategies are designed to deliver downside mitigation and diversification benefits at times when diversification is most needed.

A natural question may follow: Do you believe the U.S. equity bull market – already the longest ever, and one of the largest – is mature (or over), or do you think it has a long way to run? If the former, diversification is more desirable now than it has been in many years.
Even after their recent decline, U.S. equities are among the most expensive in the world. As of 31 December 2018, the S&P 500 traded at a cyclically adjusted price-to-earnings (CAPE) ratio of 29.0x.2 Recall that this ratio has only topped 30x twice in the history of the capital markets: just before the 1929 crash and during the tech bubble of the early 2000s. In contrast, EAFE (Europe, Australasia and Far East) stocks are trading at a CAPE ratio of 15.5x, near their cheapest historical quartile since 1982 and at a 46% discount versus U.S. stocks. Levels are even more compelling for EM stocks, which are trading at a CAPE ratio of 12.5x, reflecting a near 60% discount versus U.S. stocks.
Contrast this with before the 2008–2009 cycle, when both developed and EM equities were trading at a premium relative to U.S. stocks. At year-end 2007, U.S. stocks were priced at a CAPE ratio of 25.9x, while EAFE stocks traded at 28.6x and EM stocks at 34.7x. With premium valuation levels of 10% over U.S. stocks for EAFE stocks and 34% for EM stocks, U.S. stocks fared better than these peers, falling 51.5% cumulatively from their peak on 19 May 2008 to their trough on 9 March 2009, compared with declines of 57.5% for EAFE and 60.0% for EM. These relative valuation levels stand in sharp contrast to today’s.
The sharp correction late last year revealed flaws in the conventional narrative that EM stock losses are always magnified relative to the level of U.S. losses during U.S. bear markets. EM stocks fared much better than U.S. stocks during the recent decline, while in the financial crisis of 2008-2009 they fared much worse. What’s the difference? At the start of 2008, EM stocks were priced at a 34% premium to U.S. stocks; in September 2018, when the S&P 500 hit its record high, they were trading at nearly a 60% discount.
Yes, the U.S. may be among the healthiest economies in the developed world, but we believe this is amply reflected in current valuations. It’s hard to make a case that economic growth is about to accelerate or that earnings will soar from current near-record levels (as a share of GDP or any other measure). We also think it’s worth considering another nuance that tends to be far under-appreciated in our industry: the relationship between economic strength and stock market performance.
The conventional wisdom is that economic growth and stock market returns go hand-in-hand. While this tends to be true over very long spans, it’s not necessarily the case in the short term. Why? Markets tend to look to the future, so even slowing (but still positive) growth can trigger a bear market. New enterprises (start-ups) and established companies are in competition for investment capital, a dynamic that has very different implications for the stock market and economic growth. Entrepreneurial capitalism, the creation of start-ups and risk-bearing enterprises, is a key driver of long-term economic growth. But in the short run, entrepreneurs often fund these new initiatives by liquidating existing “old economy” stocks and bonds. The desire to tap into these assets to fund new initiatives can cause prices to fall. As the “old economy” markets falter, they become priced to offer better prospective returns. So, bear markets can happen for a host of reasons.
Q: Why do the fees for the All Asset and All Asset All Authority Funds appear to have risen when viewed on Morningstar’s platform and on PIMCO’s website?
Cavalieri: The fee structure for the two funds has not changed, and the fees paid to PIMCO as the fund manager have not increased. The source of confusion affecting the All Asset funds – and many other funds in the industry similarly registered under the Investment Company Act of 1940 – is recent regulatory guidance requiring that interest expense from certain portfolio transactions be included in the Total Expense Ratio (TER) and Net Expense Ratio (NER) of those funds. These are not new expenses, and they are not fees payable to the fund manager; however, this disclosure requirement can create the appearance of an increase in fees.
Specifically, interest expense for the All Asset funds relates to certain return-seeking investment transactions within the funds or within the underlying PIMCO funds they hold. These transactions typically have two elements: a financing leg, which generates interest expense, and an associated long position, which seeks return in excess of the interest expense. So although interest expense is incurred as part of an investment strategy aimed to increase net returns to investors, the requirement to include interest expense in the funds’ TER and NER creates the appearance of elevated expenses without making as prominent the associated return potential.
The reporting requirement may be particularly notable for the PIMCO All Asset All Authority Fund, which is allowed by prospectus guidelines to employ leverage (up to 1.5x) and regularly does so. The interest expense from the borrowed cash is required to be included in the fund’s TER and NER. As of the most recent prospectus, interest expense from such borrowing activity increased the All Asset All Authority’s TER and NER by 91 basis points (0.91%). That would certainly get the attention of any investor! Again, however, that expense does not represent compensation to PIMCO; it was incurred as part of underlying two-legged investment transactions in All Asset and All Asset All Authority. Of course, if an investor is not aware that a fund’s TER and NER figures are comprised of multiple elements, they may understandably assume the observed TER/NER increase was the result of the fund manager increasing fees.
PIMCO agrees with Morningstar’s perspective as it relates to these disclosure requirements. Prior to July 2018, Morningstar had excluded these investment-related interest expenses from its published Net Expense Ratio, on the view that such expenses “are trading costs that are intrinsic to the fund’s strategy,” consistent “with [Morningstar’s] exclusion of brokerage costs from the calculation.”3 However, regulators now require this interest expense to be included in both the TER and NER on fund materials and web content.
To help investors distinguish management fees charged by PIMCO from other investment-related expenses, we recently added a footnote to our published TERs and NERs, which provides a Net Expense Ratio that excludes “interest expense” (when applicable). Other fund managers and industry participants have begun to take a similar approach.
These disclosure requirements may seem confusing, but PIMCO is committed to using our full toolkit of strategies in seeking maximum risk-prudent returns for our clients, net of all fees and expenses. We are similarly committed to working with clients to ensure they understand our investment strategies, their intended benefits and their associated reporting requirements.
The All Asset strategies represent a joint effort between PIMCO and Research Affiliates. PIMCO provides the broad range of underlying strategies – spanning global stocks, global bonds, commodities, real estate and liquid alternative strategies – each actively managed to maximize potential alpha. Research Affiliates, an investment advisory firm founded in 2002 by Rob Arnott and a global leader in asset allocation, serves as the sub-advisor responsible for the asset allocation decisions. Research Affiliates uses their deep research focus to develop a series of value-oriented, contrarian models that determine the appropriate mix of underlying PIMCO strategies in seeking All Asset’s return and risk goals.
1 Will we always have substantial positions in EM asset classes? Not necessarily. We have had as little as 11% in EM stocks, bonds and currencies combined in both All Asset and All Authority (at the end of 2010). We opportunistically focus on whatever is cheapest and offers what we view as the best long-term forward-looking return potential, among assets that provide an inflation hedge and a real-returns bias. Today, EM stocks and bonds are among the cheapest such assets.
2 At an earnings trough, the market is typically cheaper than it seems, because the “E” in the P/E ratio is artificially low, while at an earnings peak the market is more expensive than it seems. Looking at the CAPE ratio, or Shiller PE, is one way to address this problem. The CAPE compares today’s real stock market level with 10-year average real earnings. In so doing, it uses sustainable average earnings and avoids the distortions of peak or trough earnings.
3 See related Morningstar news release, “Changes to Prospectus Net Expense Ratio and Annual Report Net Expense Ratio – Effective July 31, 2018,” published May 25, 2018.
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